July 8, 2021

Cati Hendron on going back to school, K-pop & dumb Americans.

A 24-year-old friend and former co-worker joins the show today to tell me about why she decided to leave the beauty business to become an English teacher instead. Plus, she discusses her BTS obsession (31:00), why all of us need to visit Japan and how all of you can incorporate more reading into your life (14:30). Oh, and apparently she used to be in a marching band.

To see Cati's lovely face, you can watch our conversation here or give her a follow on Instagram and Twitter @catihendron. Be sure to check out TheTroyFarkasShow.com for more thoughts on our conversation tomorrow.

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Good morning, everyone. Welcome in to another episode of The Troy Farkas Show! This podcast is not about me. About all of us. The twenties are a crucial time in our lives and on this show, we navigate the highs and lows of early adulthood together. Thank you all for joining me, hope that you all are having a wonderful week that you've been getting after it at work that you've relaxed when you've needed to that.

You've cooked some good dinner. Gotten some good weightlifting sessions in maybe a kickboxing personal care or some really good yoga. I just did some yoga earlier today. I mean, body feels great. So I hope that this week is treating you wonderfully, that great things are in your future and on your weekend ahead.

Great things coming up on today's episode because cause I really want to get back a little bit into the roots of the show here of talking about my life and talking to the people in my life now for as great as it is been talking to. Some young CEOs like Nico Enriquez of Willie's Superbrew, uh, David Zamarin of Detrapel or athletes, social media influencers. I've loved that I've loved learning from people and getting out of my comfort zone in terms of just bettering myself, talking to people that I don't know, because that is a skill that I'm wanting to get better at. But I also just do love catching up with people and using this as a way to catch up with people.

And the person that I'm catching up with today is an old friend, Cati Hendron, who I worked with at Afrims Sports. I've talked about Afrims on the show with Matt Woodworth here, before, back in February, for those of you who do not know Afrims sports is this indoor soccer facility it's in Colonie, New York.

So not far off from where I grew up, if you are from the Northeast and you played soccer, there's a damn good chance that you played some sort of travel ball, indoor ball at Afrims Sports. And so what I did there was I was a birthday party coach. It was my job to throw. Amazing birthday parties for kids anywhere in the ages of three to 12 on a given weekend.

And so what we would do is me, Matt, Cati, Kendell, who you will hear us mention later, we were party coaches was what our title was. And basically what we would do is we would get a schedule. We would get assigned a couple of parties a day, 2, 3, 4 parties a day. There were different types of parties you could do.

You could just do parties in the field where you're playing, just field games, Dodge ball, flag football. Kickball, um, or whatever it was playing with balloons with the little young ones, or you could just do the bouncy bounce party where they're just playing on the bouncy bounces. And, you know, you're telling them to be safe hands to yourself, or you could do a party called the ultimate party where you could just combine the two.

And it was this whole long affair and it was a good time. It was fun interacting with the kids, with the parents, making sure that their children's parties ran smoothly and. Kind of makes sense as to why I'm a podcast producer now, because like it's never about me. It's about the host and it's trying to make an experience for someone else as good as it can possibly be.

So there are a lot of parallels that I'm realizing, hence why I like it. And I loved Afrims. It has such a special place in my heart. My first job, my very first one, I had it in my last year of high school. All throughout college. I can't tell you the number of times I changed in the Afrims parking lot, going from one thing to another thing that was tied to school or my career, and then interacting with these great people there and interacting with the kids there and spending some summers there.

I didn't work at the summer camps as much as someone like Cati did or. Or a candle, but I always popped in from time to time and just had so much fun. And there's parts of me that wishes. I still worked there because it was so much fun. And I love working with the people and Katie Hendron is one of them.

And I do intend on catching up with, uh, Kendell at some point. As well, but I really want to talk to Kate today because Hey, I miss her. She's an amazing person. And I've always really respected her. We were working together. What are the same age? But I don't know. I always kind of looked up to her in a way.

I don't know if that's weird, but she had been there longer than me. Um, she was just a really authoritative figure and I really respected her and the way that she went about her business and I still do to this day. And I've always found her wildly. Fascinating engaging. She's a really good social media followed her mind is all over the place, which I think is so representative.

So many of us today, our minds are all over the place. Um, so we're going to dive into here some career decisions. She's made a big one that she has made. She is now basically starting from scratch and going back to school, we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about some of her interests, which include Disney K-pop and a whole bunch of other things.

Super excited to talk to Cati Uh, if you want to go watch the video that is over on The Troy Farkas YouTube channel. Now, if you want to see Cati, who looks great, or me profusely sweating, because I had to turn off the fan in the room in which I'm in and it got so hot. So cookie. So if you want to go check that out, that's over on the Troy Farkas YouTube channel, but here's the podcast version and I'll talk to you the backside and enjoy.

So I find myself in bend Oregon about a month ago, and I'm having some beers with an old colleague, Matt Woodworth, who was on the podcast a couple months back in February, one of the most popular episodes. If you haven't listened to it, go back and Detroit park show archives, but someone who came up in conversation as we were reminiscing about good old Latham sports are Friday, Saturday nights, throwing birthday parties, watching over little kids.

Uh, it was Cati Hendron. The guest on today's podcast. One of my absolute favorite people in the world, someone who I've always found to be a wildly interesting, a unique perspective on life, on afraid to be herself. Those are the type of people that I love surrounding myself with. So Cati Hendron, so good to see you again.

It's been a minute. Welcome. How are you? I'm I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm very flattered by what you said about me. That was very sweet. You were one of my favorite people to work with. So it's actually really funny when you, um, guys reached out to me when you were together, I was actually like shocked that you were in the same place because I knew Matt.

Across the country, but I didn't know you would be there with him. So it kinda took me by surprise I've, uh, in all of 20, 21 just kinda been floating around. I love telling people when I'm out and about in bars and people are seeing me and they're like, oh, where are you from? Where do you live? I'm like, well, I'm kind of homeless right now.

Like I don't live anywhere. I don't have an address. I don't pay rent anywhere, which is super fun to say. And people think I'm like wildly interesting. So I'm glad that you think so. I think it's wildly interesting. I feel like if I met you out at a bar and I was like, oh, like, where are you from? And you just said you were, you didn't live anywhere.

I would, I would probably be. Yeah, no, I'm doing good. It's very interesting. Bio currently says in the location bar says somewhere in the USA, which is accurate. Very true. So absolutely loved working with you for a number of years. And I come to find out as we were just chit chatting here, pre-interview turning the mics on.

I thought that you were in. Hair salon biz, because I remember when we were working on Afrims, I love talking to people about their futures, especially when we were like 18, 19 years old. I remember asking you questions because you were studying at Paul Mitchell's, which for those of you who don't know is like a hair salon, lib beauty.

Salons or whatever. I don't know the words cosmetology  there you go. So you were studying there and that was where you wanted to go. You're pretty firm on that. And I was so pumped for you. I remember being a test dummy for you. I got a haircut from you on like a re in Schenectady at like a 9:00 PM. Yeah.

Erica was great. And you were obviously very talented and you're a talker. So I knew that you would be good. Yeah. Come to find out you are no longer in the business. You're actually back at Afrims where it all began running summer camps. So I need to know what went wrong in the salon. So, so nothing went entirely too wrong.

I actually still do hair, just not in like a salon setting. Like I still really enjoy doing it. It's a passion of mine. I keep up on my license. I keep it current, but I kind of, I was working in a salon. I had been working in a salon for about three years and I just kind of realized that it wasn't something I was as passionate about to continue doing as my career for the rest of my life.

It's something that I'm glad that I went to school for. It's a trade that's honestly really handy. People, always people will be growing hair for forever, so they need someone to cut it and color it and style it and do whatever they want with it. But it just, wasn't something that I could see myself doing forever as my like main career.

So I definitely took a long time of like, thinking about what I wanted, what I used to, like what I kind of have always been passionate about, which was working with kids, which is how we met. So I was like, I think I want to work with kids and here I am working with kids right now and I'm back in school to become, yeah.

Okay. Why exactly did you realize that this wasn't what you wanted to be doing? Long-term did something happen? Was it just a gradual realization? I think it was a gradual realization. Um, I was kind of just going through the motions with my job. I think it did kind of come to a head one day where I walked into my job and I was just miserable.

I didn't want to be there. I was just kind of unhappy. I had anxiety about going into work and then I was. It's not what I'm doing. But it's the fact that like I'm doing it as a career and it kind of just came to a point and I was like, I need to figure out what I actually want to do. Yeah, no, I totally feel that.

I think a lot of people, especially our age, because as I've said before, it's the most ridiculous thing in the world that we ask an 18, 19, 20 year old kid. Hey, figure out what you want to do with the rest of your life. I mean, I had no clue. It took me a year of college to realize it didn't want to do that at that point in my life.

And then years of doing hair to realize, wait a minute, still not it. And now, I mean, who knows like 10 years from now, I could even say maybe this isn't it, but this is what I want right now. So no, when you get to the point of just dreading going to work every day, you don't want to be there. You're not fully present, which affects your quality of work, affects how you treat the people in your life around.

It's time to make a change. So I'm glad that you've come to that realization. Now I have to ask, before we move on to teaching, you know, working in a customer service business like that, I'm sure you've come across a lot of weird people. You have any like weird experiences interactions that you're comfortable sharing.

I mean, I've, I've probably got about a million of them. I have people who like change their mind halfway through a haircut about wanting the haircut that they're getting. I've had people. Ask for just kind of the most ridiculous demands of their hair. I mean, hair is a science it's sounds kind of silly to say that, but like doing hair as a science, it's a lot of chemistry, a lot of chemical reactions.

You don't always get the same result every time. So you kind of get a, an even spread of normal clients to very strange clients, too. The worst people you'll ever meet. And then people that I still keep in contact with because they were amazing. And I loved that. So I don't know if I have one that really stands out as a crazy, crazy, crazy experience, but I mean, I've definitely gotten yelled at a couple of times.

I've definitely gotten a compliment of many times, so it's really. All over the place. Yeah. Dealing with that many people. Do you think the pandemic had the pandemic not happens, which I'm sure is something that just greatly affected the way that you guys go about your work. Do you think had the pandemic not happens that you might feel differently about this?

So like with hair and everything? Yeah. So basically right before the pandemic hit is when I decided to leave the salon and go back to school and then. Everything just hit all at once. And I said, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to take a break for a little bit, go back to a job that I know. I like, cause I work with kids and then everything shut down and I was like, well, I'll go back to school in the fall and see what happens.

Yeah. Okay. So you're back to school now. Where are you staying? Right now, Hudson valley. I'm actually finishing up my last two classes and then I will be going to Arizona state online, online. Nah, you should go to the real school. I was there a couple months ago and it's absolutely amazing, but uh, I, it's not that I'm not considering it.

Arizona is a lot warmer than New York, so, oh. Is definitely is. So you're studying English now. Now, why did you decide to study English? A really good question. When I was in school, in high school, my English teachers in, well, especially my 11th grade English teacher really helped me realize how much I loved the subject and how much I loved reading and writing.

And he continuously always pushed me to do better with my writing. And I ended up getting nominated for some sort of award because of an essay I wrote in high school. And from that point on, I got really interested in like literature and everything like that. But it didn't hit me how much that, that really affected me until I was like, well, out of school.

And I was like, I want to do that for somebody one day. I want to help them realize that they have a passion for something or really good interest in something. And if that is literature that's even better because kids could always use a little bit more critical thinking and analysis and. Just, you know, literature, books, reading, writing, you could always use more of that in your life.

So as a lover of literature and writing yourself when you have not been studying it. So back when, back in your salon days, how was that showing up in your life? I was, I'm just a big reader in general. I have always been a big reader. I was reading a ton of books even when I was not working and towards an English degree.

So I was keeping up on my interest with it. And I think that that also helped me shape what I want. From like my degree and what I wanted to teach, I was bouncing back and forth between working with little, little kids, which I'm very used to and working with like high school level students. And I think that my continued passion for reading really steered me in the direction of like high school.

Now there's a lot of people our age who say that they want to get into reading that, oh, I should read more books and they get recommended a book and they say, oh, I'll read that. And then they never do. I'm not an avid reader, not as much as you are, but I'm pretty much always reading a book at one time. I just kinda am not as fast with it as I would like to be.

So what would you say to someone who wants to get into reading, but is maybe a little bit scared? Audio books are your best friend in the world. They will get you very, very interested into what actual books have to offer you without the, I guess, time commitment of sitting down and just like opening a book and reading it for an extended period of time.

If you have a long commute to work, if you have a job where you can have a headphone in, or if you just need something to listen to, while you do your dishes or clean your house. Audio books are the best thing ever because they'll get you interested in literature and stories and the way that they're written and the way that they're told without the heavy, like almost burdened feeling of like, I need to read this brick of a book to really get into it.

And I know people who have like listened to audio books and then they go and they actually read the next one in the series or something like that. But it'll get you. Interested in the literature and the stories and the way that they're told without so much of a commitment to reading. I love that you said that that's a big reason why I love podcasts as well.

Uh, you don't have to, you know, like you do for a TV show or like you do for a book, you have to sit still and actively consume this and actively like, try to understand it. And that's the only thing that you can do. Whereas with an audio book, a podcast that you can be on a run, you can be in the car on the train on a long walk, cooking, dinner, cleaning, gardening, whatever it is.

So I love that you suggested that. Now I got to ask you, what are some of your favorite books that you think might rank them books of all time? Let me see. So I am all over the place with books, with audio books, I'm always going to recommend the Harry Potter series because they are very, very beautifully narrated.

Like, they're just like amazing. Especially the, I want to say Stephen Fry who narrates them, those ones are great. They're a great introduction to audio books, especially if you been familiar with Harry Potter. I know it's a young adult like series, but it's obviously kind of cemented a really good place in history.

So it's a good place to start. I am a huge Stephen King fan, as cliche as that might be. I do really, really like him and his audio books are also very, very good. If someone. Looking into that. They're very well narrated. Um, overall, I am a big fan of Fitzgerald and Salinger, which is, I love that you said that I'm actually rereading The Great Gatsby right now.

And The Catcher in the Rye is One of my favorite books of all time though, favorite books of all time. And that, one's a really interesting one. Cause it's different. The first time most people read it is for like a high school assignment. That was the first time I'd ever read it. And you read it and you really identify with Holden the main protagonists.

And then if you reread it as an adult, it's an entirely different story. You just resonate with entirely different characters, which I think is really, really interesting. Yes. That's why, that's why reading and rereading is so key. I mean, there there's several books that I read in the high school type setting, the alchemists Gatsby catcher on the ride that I have now, since re-read and it hits.

Completely different. I mean, it's like an entirely different story. Yeah. I'd be interested to hear. I mean, I'm still not done with Gatsby the second time around, but my takeaway right now is that Gatsby is so fixated on in order to impress Daisy. He needs to show her how opulence you can live and how, how big a party is.

He can throw it all, how much he can achieve that American dream. And this is how you impress people. This is how you win people over. And reality like that just very shallow. You win people over by being a good person and by caring about other people, it doesn't matter about the cool stuff and trinkets that you have.

So I, that's not what I would have thought when I was 16 when I first read it. Yeah. And know, a lot of the time, if you're reading books for classes, you can also just miss those things entirely because you're so focused on certain aspects of it that are just what you need to focus on. If you reread it as an adult, you kind of, your mind has a little bit more freedom to focus in.

The actual interesting points of the story for you individually. So when you are looking to get into teaching here, so you're going to ASU here online shortly. What exactly is your timeline? When do you expect or hope to be actually teaching classes? Well, that's also an interesting question because, so hopefully I am going to be done with my degree.

I want to say. How many semesters I have like about five semesters from now, but I do plan on kind of going nonstop through summers and everything. So I want to say I'm 24. Now I should be done when I'm 26, hopefully teaching by 27. If I can really manage it, you know, a lot of people feel. When they say they want to go back to school to get another degree or to just completely change direction entirely.

Uh, they feel a lot of trepidation about going back to school. Oh, I'm too old. Like I did this. Can I do this again? Did you have any hesitation or was it a no-brainer tons of hesitation. I struggled so hard with saying, okay. I tried something. It wasn't what I want to do for the rest of my life. And I mean, I felt, I felt like so lost when I had first had that realization.

And I didn't know that next step in my kind of master plan of life. Cause I very much liked to plan things ahead of time. I was very lost. It was. Conflicted over. Did I fail at this? Am I just figuring everything out? I'm in my twenties. Oh my gosh, I'm going to be 30. I'm going to die. I don't know what I want to do with my life.

But honestly, going back to school was the best thing I could have done. And there are people who are older than I am. There are people who are younger than I am. There's everyone from all walks of life should honestly always be educating themselves in my opinion. Um, but you know, you're just going to meet people from.

Million different perspectives and you sit there and you're like, okay, well, everyone does things at their own pace. We can't expect people to do things on that set timeline of go to college at 18 graduate at 2021, go to get a master's degree, go right into the workforce. Like it's just, it's different for everyone.

And you go at your own pace and when it's right for you, it'll be right for you and you'll get through it and you'll do a good job. If you try to. It's probably not going to work out. Yeah, no, I fully agree. I love what you just said. I think maybe there would have been more stigma about going back to school at 24, you know, 10, 20 years ago.

But now I feel like the flood gates are opening a little more where people are starting to take a non-traditional path more. Maybe not going to college right. At 18, or maybe doing a gap year, like to do more commonly in Europe and just realizing that like, you know, what really good life experience is it just getting right after it?

Right in high school, when you can legally be in the military and legally vote and do all these things, like you get so much experience from just being thrown into the fire that college can't necessarily prepare you for. So I'm glad that you were doing this because, and I certainly remember when I was in college, you know, I took, uh, some documentary classes and, you know, I was working alongside 30, 35 year olds go back to school and it was like, oh, they're just my classmates.

I didn't think anything about it. I mean as myself, I'm like, oh, I'm the oldest person in this class, but then I'm also like, so, so what, I'm 24 I'm back in college. If someone really thinks that's strange, like that's really on them. And if they don't, I dunno. I think everyone for me should be always going back to school.

I feel like I'll probably go back to school a million times because I just really enjoy it. And I think it's just always fun to just educate yourself further. Yup. Education. You never stop learning. Even once you get your degree, you should never stop learning. Keep reading should keep talking to people, um, and just challenge yourself every day.

So congrats to you, Katie. I'm so excited for you. I want to move on to other things here. You've got a wide variety of interest. I just kind of want to touch on first. You have an obsession with Disney so much, actually, there's a lot of things that you have an obsession with. We'll start with Disney. So I work, I worked for Disney for a couple of years.

ESPN is owned by Disney and being a part of Disney. I had you in the back of my mind sometimes because we get amazing perks being a Disney employee. A certain number of free tickets to the Disney parks, anywhere in the world per year, you can bring as many guests as you want, and you get crazy discounts for hotels and food and planes and everything.

So at one point I was like, if I don't use one of these, I should totally just send one to Katie in the mail or something would freak out about that. I never got around to it, but Katie, why do you love Disney so much? Because I'm not sure if I know anyone who loved Disney more. Um, so definitely this is actually kind of a hard question for me to answer.

I have always really enjoyed it. Movies, uh, any sort of Disney like media as a kid, I loved it. I ate that right up. I loved it. And then as an adult and like more of like a middle school to high school, I went to like the theme parks for the first time with my family. And it was just such an amazing experience that.

Kept wanting to feel it over and over again, everything is so nice and like ideal and peaceful and no anxiety. No worries. You're just there to have a good time. And that was something that I really loved about it. So when I got my own like adult money and adult time, I was like, I'm going to go there as much as I can, because why not?

This is really fun. This is amazing. I love this. And I've done it many, many times and it's fun every single time. And I've branched out. I've branched out. I've been to Disney's in other countries. I've been to more than just the one. And honestly, that experience is the same everywhere you go. And I think that's really cool.

How many times have you been to Disney? It's been a long time since I've been actually. Um, is it double digits? Is it, I don't actually think it is. Um, I can, I can. I want to say seven, okay. Seven, which is it's tame, but time and money permitting, it would be a lot more than that. So you have been to Disney and other places.

One of those is in Tokyo, I believe. What was that experience like? It was crazy. That was honestly so different from anything you experienced in the United States. I mean, every, everything in Tokyo was so different from anything you would experience in the United States, but I was surprised to see. Disney fall under that too, because when you think Disney, you kind of think cookie cutter, castle, princess movies, everything like that, but it was actually incredibly different and very, very interesting, completely different experience.

Um, the park was completely originally designed. The rides were different. The characters that you could meet were different, the entire experience was just insane for me personally. It was really cool. Okay. So I want to hear more about Japan because. You know, I've traveled a lot, but it's pretty much just been within the U S and Europe.

I've never actually really thought to myself much that I would like to go to Asia, but convince me, should I want to go to Asia? Cause I know you have, you have quite the interest in just Asian culture convinced me, like, why should I want to go to Japan or just Asia as a whole. Because it's just so different from the United States.

It's incredibly different. I mean, it's a beautiful, like Japan was a beautiful country, even outside of Tokyo. Um, we had traveled outside of the city, like an hour or two outside of it into a little bit more of like a suburban area. It's a beautiful country. It's honestly just like breathtaking the city itself.

In Tokyo, which I assume a lot of people who would think to visit Japan, that's kind of the first place that you want to check off on your list. I was there for a week. I didn't even see close to everything that I had wanted to see. Massive, huge. Um, it is just so different. The culture, there is very much putting other people before yourself, which I think I can say it's very, very different from American culture of.

Me me, me, my freedoms, my rights, my, this, my, that, um, which I think we definitely saw a trend of that during the pandemic, but it's very, very different over there. It is all about respecting other people, respecting your surroundings. I mean, The regular street crime, right? There is so low. People didn't even lock their bikes on the bike racks.

There was really no litter. You can like eat off the floor in the public subway system. It was spotless. I don't know. It was just, the food is amazing. The food is always amazing. The culture itself, like the nightlife, the things to do the beautiful scenery. I just think everyone. I should experience something like that.

Once being told, totally thrown out of your element into a brand new culture and experience, and you would be so surprised at how much you would enjoy something like that. It was, it was honestly amazing communication wise though. I mean, that's a massive barrier. How did you deal with that? Everybody spoke English to me.

Really? Yes, exactly. I had tried very hard to learn very basic phrases, you know, whereas this, thank you. How do I find this? Excuse me. I'm sorry. Hello. I barely got to use any of that. I was a little bit disappointed. English has actually spoken very frequently in Japan. It's actually, I don't know if this is a correct statistic still, but it's one of the top spoken languages in the country.

They teach it from a very young age. Um, As far as I learned from my time there, everyone who saw me just kind of assumed I spoke English and didn't really give me the opportunity to test out any Japanese, but it was a lot of younger people too. I think the older population is still less fluent in English, but the younger population kind of took one look at me and they were like, oh, hi, yes, let me help you out here.

You probably need help. Don't you feel so dumb when you go abroad and buy, like, excuse me, there's some fireworks being shot off in my neighbor.

Uh, but don't you feel dumb when you go abroad, because here you think that you have to learn a little bit of Japanese that you never get to use me while everyone you're talking to knows English fluently it. I think the number one thing that drove me crazy after that trip was how little focus we put into foreign language at a young age, in our school system.

I mean, it's been like proven that the younger, you learn a second language that easier you retain it. And the more fluent you become, and I'm sitting here on eight plus years of Spanish education. And I could not form a fluent sentence if I try, like I could, because I didn't learn at a young age. And I think it's just like, really, like it showed over there that they really.

I felt so dumb. I felt so dumb. The dumb American thing is real. I know when I went over to Europe and lived in Scotland for a couple months, I lived with a Norwegian kid, a Swedish kid and a Danish kid, and they could all speak to each other and each other's languages like the Swedish could speak to the Norwegian in Swedish and the Norwegian community came back to a Norwegian.

They would all understand it. And then on top of, on top of that, they know German and Spanish and Italian, and I'm like, God, I wish English. Exactly. I'm like I can speak English and can ask for beer in Spanish, like fucking awesome. I mean, that's an essential question. So it's necessary information. So you also have.

And, uh, an obsession with BTS, I believe. And just K-pop in general. Now I'd like to learn more about this because I don't know much about K-pop. I know it's a big thing. I know. BTS is a massive international deal and my girl Halsy is my favorite artist. She is, she's very close with BTS and has done a song with them.

So please educate me more on BTS, why they're so awesome and why I should get into K-pop. First of all, it's just music. It's just, it's just like any other type of music. Like, I don't know. K-pop is a huge umbrella term. I mean, like it's just Korean pop music. Um, I like it for the same reasons. Most people would like any music.

I like the way that it sounds, I like the message behind it. I like the artists. I'm a big fan of BTS. Obviously, most people who are into K-pop like BTS, even people who aren't into K-pop. I mean, they've got two English songs that have been playing on like American radio. Their newest one is like the top of the billboard chart for like the last like month.

Like they're insanely popular even to people who don't. Listen to K-pop nonstop. Like their impact has been crazy, but I mean, for me, I just, I don't know. I think it's really interesting. Um, the entertainment industry. And the way that they do things is very, very different from the way that Western and like American pop artists do things.

They're very focused on a connection between the fans and the artist more than just the fans and the music. If that makes sense. There's a little bit more, if it feels like a personal connection, even though it's not like, it's not like, I don't know BTS, but it feels a little bit more personal than a lot of American artists feel, which I think is a huge draw.

To the industry as a whole. And like all of those groups. Have you ever seen them in concert? No, I haven't. Um, I actually really got into it during the pandemic when I had a lot of time in front of my television to watch their music videos. Gotcha. Yeah. Very cool. Um, I have not gotten into K-pop. Um, I'm in a music funk right now.

I don't know about you, but like I just keep listening to the same things over and over again. I get super into one artist. Like I've been on a big Taylor Swift kick lately. I don't know why it's been on big T swift kick lately. I've been on a big Halsey kick for like the last four years. I just keep going on repeat and I want to get into new music.

So I've been recommended ETS today and also Lord someone else recommended Lorde. Yeah. Always recommend Lorde. She's amazing. She's insane. Music wise. I get that entirely. I think that I was in a very big music funk before I got into K-pop. I mean, I still kind of am. If I really think about it, I was listening to the same three playlist that I've had on my Spotify for the last like six years, basically like a new wave post-punk eighties playlist, the same playlist I've had since high school.

And then my liked songs like that was all I was listening to. I don't even know how it really started, but now I'm listening to, K-pop thrown in there. It's a big mix. Absolutely love it. Uh, Katie, so you went to Mohonasen, a school that I honestly don't even know where in upstate New York it is. I've been there several times, played basketball there a couple of times.

Couldn't tell you the first thing about it. A lot of the kids who listened to this went to Shen or Saratoga that area, like what is the deal of Mohon said, what was most Mohan was interesting to say the least it's a smaller school. My graduating class, I want to say had about 250 kids in it. And I think I'm pretty sure compared to Shen that's like tiny.

That's like, it's like a minuscule. So it's a very small school district in comparison to some of the other ones in the area it's Rotterdam slash Schenectady, depending on where you fall in the town lines. So it's mainly Rotterdam, which is a pretty small town to begin with. Um, Mohonasen is not known for sports.

At all, except for losing sports. Yeah. It's harsh to say, but I mean, we were kind of known for losing every single football game, especially like the homecoming game, which is kind of. Tough to admit, but that's gotten better over the years is what I've heard. So that's good. We were really known for our music program and our arts programs.

That was kind of the draw from honestly, it was very, very good arts and music programs. And I was, I was a part of those. That was fun. That was great. Um, I was in the marching. Where are you all throughout high school, all throughout high school? What was that like? Really fun, actually. Very, very fun.

Something that you wouldn't expect to be really fun, but you would, it would be more than just like marching in local parades. Like we would go and like compete against other schools and in the area, like there weren't a lot of schools to compete against. We mainly competed against like Cicero north Syracuse, Syracuse in general, like, um, oh my gosh.

Clearly I played the flute. I was really just lost in the noise. At that point. You weren't hearing me individually. I was just kind of walking around the field, but it was really fun. Very interesting. Um, so music, again, really interested in music. No. I absolutely love that. So. All right. Good. Good to hear a little bit more.

I thought you knew that about me. I really thought you had made it. I did at one point, but I forgotten, you know, I mean, it's not like I'm still doing it, so it's fine. I'm so sorry that, that I'd forgotten that. Uh, well, I've enjoyed learning so much more about you now. Can you recruit your girl, Kendall, your friend, Kendall, who also worked with us at Afrims.

I wanted to get her on at some point, because she's also very interesting because she's super into health and fitness and nutrition and whatnot. So can you nudge her? I mean, I'll text her right now. I'll I'll text her right now and ask her to go on. I'm sure. Interested. She was very fascinated when I said that I was going to be on because I was very excited.

You don't understand, I was bragging about it to anyone who would listen to me, but I got to catch up with you. Okay. Well, this is awesome. And I plan on coming to Afrims very soon since back at camp where it started. How's that going so far? Um, pretty well, actually, um, it just kind of started, I think we're in the third week right now, so it's still just starting out.

Crazy amount of kids compared to, I mean, last year with the pandemic crazy amount of kids. So getting used to that, but it's going really well. Is that annoying little kid with the curly hair, the red curly hair. Is he still there? No, he is not still there, but I know exactly Alejandro. Oh gosh. Alejandro and his parents are so annoying.

I'm sorry. He was no, it's a completely, it's just a whole different group of kids, but they are the most interesting people in the world. Let me tell you, there's nothing more interesting than a three to five year old talking about anything. Anything at all? This is very true. Yeah, that's true. We'll leave it at that, Katie.

Thank you so much for joining me. I wish you the best of luck in English and figuring out what you're doing with your life and building a new playlist and I'll see you soon. Thank you. So

how great is Katie? I just love listening to her and it's so great seeing a maturation, not that she was not ever immature, but I just mean more in the sense that she's just growing up. We're all growing up. We are all so much smarter and more sophisticated and better people than we used to be. And I think Katie is exhibit eight of that.

I, and I really liked the way that she carries herself. She's super smiley and, and optimistic and inspiring to me in a way that she just has a really good energy about her. That's the type of energy I enjoy surrounding myself with when I had a podcast earlier this week, I mentioned that we are all products of our surroundings, that it is imperative to surround yourself with good people who have good values and can rub off on you.

And I think Katie is one of those people that is just a tremendous person to have around you, because she challenges you to think a different way. She challenges you, um, to be better, to do better, to be smarter, to read more, to do all sorts of things. Which I think is really valuable. So Katie, thank you so much for joining me.

You are a rock star. I am so pumped for you and all that you've got going on. I know things have been tough in the pandemic and personally for you, there's been some tough things going on in your life, but I'm rooting for you. I think you'll, you'll get over it. And, uh, you're a strong girl. You're a tough girl.

Your sister certainly is. Who's a little bit older than you shout out to Kim. She is man. She is tough. So super excited for you and all that you have. Um, coming up in your future as for the rest of you listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, follow the show, wherever you get your podcasts.

Listen to it on TheTroyFarkasShow.com. Leave us a five star review over on apple podcasts that really helps with some visibility and, you know, on the apple charts. And it helps people get, you know, helps us spread the good word about the show, which is always a good thing. Uh, but if you choose to do none of those.

That's all good. I still love you still out here. Spreading the love. Hope you all have a great weekend that you get outside, that you maybe crack open a book or listen to an audio book right after you're done listening to this podcast. I think that is a really good practice for anyone who wants to start reading and bettering themselves because.

Just contain so much wisdom. And, um, it's really something that I think all of us should get into. So crack open a book this weekend. That's Katie sauce to you. That's my advice for you. Have a great weekend. And then I will talk to you again next week. Have a good one. Wow.