One of my best friends from Connecticut returns to the show to talk about his impact on my life, why it took a while for me like him and why all of us need to stop being flakes. PLUS, we discuss:
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Jake Lenok is a 28-year-old podcast host/producer who currently lives in Alpine, NJ. Jake graduated from Indiana University and spent his postgrad years working at Buffalo Wild Wings and at an Indiana radio station. Jake is an avid sports lover, rant-giver, storyteller and is also known for his work on the prestigious college basketball podcast, "The One and Dones."
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Good morning, everyone. Welcome into another episode of The Troy Farkas Show, a podcast that is not about me. This is about all of us. The twenties are a crucial time in our lives. And on this show, we navigate the highs and lows of early adulthood together. Thank you so much for joining me. Hope you all are having a great week that again, get after it, that you're reading that you're writing that you're reflecting that you are maybe taking a stroll down.
Memory lane. Uh, as I have been over the past few days, as I spoke about in the last episode of the podcast, just because this time of year kind of always brings about nostalgia, right? For a lot of us school is just around the corner. Obviously none of us are really in school anymore, but this is just the time of year.
Uh, you know, fall sets in and fall is always a nostalgic time. And I'm thinking about when I went off to college seven years ago, when I first went out to Connecticut 40 years ago, I'm actually going to have a blog post about that on TheTroyFarkasShow.com coming very soon. So it's very important to look back on your own personal evolution.
I will talk about some of that personal evolution with today's guest on the podcast, Jake. Second time he's appearing. He appeared back in March for the Troy stories bracket. If you guys ever listened to that, it was a fun podcast about all the crazy shit that I've done over the past few years while knowing Jake Lenok today's guest and Conner Burks, who is, uh, another great friend of ours, I first met him.
Three years ago and good old Bristol, Connecticut. Yes. We all worked at ESPN together. We're not going to work at yet. We're not going to talk about ESPN today. I've feel like I've, I've done that enough with a bunch of people on the show. So I'll spare you that today, but Jake and I date back to then he didn't initially like him at first.
We will get to that and how we proceed, see each other, uh, early on in the friendship and that, uh, I'm now very proud of. I'm proud of the friendship that we have. It didn't click right away, similar with Connor and didn't click right away. Took time. We worked at it. We spent a lot of time together and then eventually just clicked.
And now we're all, uh, all really good friends and I'm proud of it. And can't wait to see. Where it all comes. Jake is a character much like Jake Hicks, who is the other Jake who has appeared on the show multiple times, then something to note that both of these guys are both Jakes. They're not Jacobs, they're just Jake.
So I think there's something about people who are just Jakes. That is a little off about them. They're both wildcards. And so Jake Lenok who will also tell you, he's the only Jake Lenoks in the world, something about his natural name or his ancestor standards changed it to Lennick and no other person in the world has the last name Lennox.
So he's. The only Jake Lenok in the entire world. So as you are listening to this or watching this, just keep that in the back of your mind about how, how important this person is. He's also the co-host of The One and Dones podcast, alongside friend Connor Burks. If you're into college, basketball and or gambling, it's a good time.
Jake's a good character. We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff today. He ran the New York city marathon a couple of years ago. I announced on the show the other day that I will be running the half marathon in Portland, Maine in early October. He's going to give me some tips. We're going to talk about his experience and how it might affect mine.
We're going to talk about death, which is something that me and him both enjoy talking to each other about. We're going to talk about a period in his life where he had to make a really tough decision about a breakup. Um, he kind of had to prioritize relationship or career. And so we're going to talk about that because that is something that I feel like a lot of us and a lot of you guys might, might be dealing with in the, not too distant future.
So without further ado, here's Jake Lenok. If you want to go watch it, press pause. Pull up the YouTube channel, Trey Farkas, YouTube channel, you know, the drill, sit back, enjoy, enjoy the humor, enjoy the one-liners. And, uh, you'll hear from me soon.
I like to surround myself with all different types of people. I think when you have friendships that you kind of have it be like a puzzle of some sorts, you have one friend that you can go to for serious conversations. You have another friend that you can go out to breweries with. At least in my case, that's what I like.
You have a friend that you can, you know, ask for career advice. You have friends that you work out with all sorts of things. And so you of course need a friend that makes you laugh. And so that is the guest on today's podcast. Jake Lennox, second appearance, mind you on the show. There was once a time, Jake, where you would privately criticize me for not having major appearance.
Yet you were back on the show in March. I'll be it with another person, our friend Connor Shattuck. And now you are making your second appearance on the show. So you are now in rarefied air. So I just want you to appreciate the gravity of this moment. And, uh, thank you for joining me. Thank you for being a good friend.
Not only are you a person that I just like love talking to and love being around with good mixture of series and not serious at all conversation, which we'll get into a little bit later. You're also, I mean, like we pal around, like we're the same age one night. You're also a couple of years older than me.
And so I kind of look up to you and as a mentor and kind of ways you've been through a lot, shit, horrible mentor to have seen a lot of shit. And, uh, you've been through a lot. And so I kind of lean on you for some guidance in some situations where I'm just a little naive or young and inexperienced.
Thank you for everything. Thank you for joining me. What is good? It's kind of like the parents say like, don't be like me be better than me. I know the way I'll guide you there. But I like how you started this off saying that you have a lot of interesting people. A lot of people say like they surround themselves with good people.
You're like, let's surround ourselves with interesting people, which is something I do because I don't hang out with exclusively good people. But I'm glad to know that in the Troy FARC is hierarchy. That I'm one of the interesting people, not exactly a good person. I think it's an accurate way to put myself too.
So I'm not even insulted, but I am glad to be here. Second appearance. I don't know how many people did it. I know it's been a barrier that's been crossed before. Um, and I think I absolutely deserve it. But that being said, I'm very excited to do this with you. I love talking to you. We have great conversations all the time.
Just last week, we're on the phone and we had a nice little hour long conversation. So I assume this will be pretty unstructured and we just kind of talk our shit like we usually do. Yes. I appreciate being you. You now have a very long commute to work from a New Jersey, too. Good old Bristol, Connecticut.
So, uh, you've got some time and I appreciate being on the receiving end of some of those calls. I have a tendency, especially back when I was growing up, I surrounded myself with some really shitty people. And a lot of my friends that I have now that have been with me through it all can attest to that because they would get on me all the time.
Like, why are you surrounding yourself with this girl? Like, she's a piece of trash. Like, why are you hanging out with that guy? She just gets you all this trouble. So kind of you are like the adult version. Of that person that I used to always have around me. You are the adult version who was a little more, a little more put together.
You can be a bad influence sometimes, but you kind of like bring me back to my youth. So thank you for that. Well, I mean like I'm a bad influence only when it's necessary. I'm not going to tell you to derail your entire health thing, but I know that, you know, Troy Farkas is a little bit crazy. I know that he's a little bit too strict.
I am not, that's not my thing. I'm not a structured human being. If I want to do something, I pretty much do it. And if Troy is the type of guy that needs to do something because of health, I have a lot of practice in this. I've told you many times, you and my brother are wildly different people. But you guys both share a lot of striking similarities in terms of doing your own thing and not being able to deter from your ultimate plans.
And it kind of makes you crazy if you don't. So I have had a lifetime of trying to convince people to do stuff that they don't necessarily want to. And it has just continued. I pretty much been doing this since I was two years old. So I feel like while being a bad influence, I'm also a good influence.
I'm not like telling you to go out and like smoke crack or something like that. That's not my thing. It's never been my thing. I'm just kind of like the, Hey, let's go out and party and talk to people that you want to talk to and kind of let your hair down a little bit. Let's see those curly locks hanging down to the shoulders.
You know what I'm saying? I'm glad that I was that guy for you. And we had a lot in brisk, a lot of fun in Bristol because of it, because I think that that type of situation always brought out the best in you. My friend. Thank you. I appreciate that. You definitely helped get me out of a shell, which I was very much in when I first met you.
Uh, you know, We didn't quite see eye to eye when we first met. I, uh, you reminded me of a lot of college guys. You, you know, you're not a frat guy, but everyone thinks that you're a frat guy because you're loud, obnoxious, like sports, like gambling. Like you're just a typical frat guy, even though you actually were in a fraternity.
And so, uh, you very much reminded me of all the guys that I hated in college and that I never wanted to become. And so when we were forced to. Work together. And I was just around you all the time. I was like, get me away from this kid. I don't want to be near this kid at all, but because I was forced to be near you and forced to spend a lot of time with you.
I just kind of over time, it started, you know, what, like taking a liking to you and found your humor, not annoying, but funny. And. We spend a lot of time overnights, especially feeling each other out little disagreements here and there about meaningless stuff, but eventually came around you. And so it is a Testament to, I think don't always judge a book by its cover.
A lot of people make good impressions. And then over time you realize that they kind of suck. You make a bad first impression and then give you more time and then you become more endearing as you go on. It's a rare, it's a rare thing. So keep an open mind about people. It's a classic case of under promise and over exceed expectations or.
Over promise over, uh, under promise over deliver. That's the case that I do. Like, I know what I am. I'm never going to change that, but there are layers. I'm like an onion. You just peel another layer. Shout out Trek, great movie. But you peel another layer. There's a little depth that you don't know. Even though when we first met, I knew you as the guy that was just on the computer, just hammering away at work.
Cause that's kinda what you do. I work hard too, but I also can multitask. I work and I talk shit. That's kind of what I do. So when I first met you, I'm like, I don't know what this Troy arc is. His deal is, um, I like him. I never disliked you. When I first heard that you just really didn't like me. It kind of broke me a little bit.
It hurt me. I was like, I was never mean to this kid. Why does he hate it? But I know for a fact that I turn a lot of people off because right off the jump, I could be a lot for a lot of people I'm loud. I will get in your face. I will try to say something to stir the pot every once in a while, and being that we used to work in a sports-related environment, I kind of try to try to feel people out for what they like.
And I just try to destroy them just to see if they have like a little edge to them. And then I build them back on just like, ah, I'm just fucking with you. I like that. You have a little snap to you, a little snapping turtle. Quiet and calm underneath the water. And then you just, you got jaws to you. So I really enjoyed that.
But when I first heard that you didn't like me, I'm like, I'm going to win him over that's frat boy culture. I'm just like, I'm going to get him. No. Uh, but we started doing the overnights and we realized that we had a lot of similar passions and a lot of similar lifestyles, like it's easy. Look at somebody and be like, oh, he's a frat boy, just like partying and gambling and talking shit.
But then, you know, we connected a lot because I'm very health-conscious and you know, I, I'm a friendly person. I'm outgoing. I care about people and well sort of, and it just turned into a nice relationship for man, for you. And it, it got us through some, uh, some hard times with good people. So I was with, yeah.
One of my favorite things about you is that you unlike so many people. You know, I love making plans and doing things with people, but a lot of people are, you know, gosh, like I can't go out at that time because it'll only give me five hours of sleep. Or I had planned to do this tonight. Like I was gonna go see this movie or whatever.
Like I already have plans. I can't change whatever. Like people make all sorts of excuses for not doing things you will do. Like whatever it takes, if there's something that you really want to do or someone that you want to see, like you will willing to. Spend, uh, unnecessary amount of money on the Uber ride that involves you will shortchange yourself sleep.
You will compromise your work situation if you're working that day or the next day or whatever. So I really appreciate that about you. Why do you do that? Because not enough people do. I have a very big need to be around people. That's like a something I always love to do. It's part of the reason you mentioned that I have a long commute back from New Jersey.
I was living by myself for three years in Connecticut. And I've never liked roommates either. I'm kind of like a difficult person to be around all the time for the very reason that you were explaining. I don't have an off button. And I know that this sounds a little bit hypocritical being that we started this podcast 45 minutes late because I was sleeping.
But when I sleep, it's a very rarefied occasion. I don't sleep that much. And I have like, A need just to get up and go. I'm a very energetic human. So if I'm not around people, I need to be exercising. I need to be playing tennis. I need to be going swimming. I need to go for a run. And I on a Friday night, it's something in me where if I'm not hanging out with people, I feel like I am doing absolutely nothing.
So I try to rally the troops and I try to tell people that something needs to happen. If I see or hurdle, I'm like, don't worry about the hurdle. I got the hurdle. I could see the hurdles stressing you out. Clear your mind free your mind. It's on me tonight. If that's something that is going to cost me money, if that's like an expense sort of thing, like your hurdle is the only thing that's stopping you, I'm going to try and appease that hurdle so you don't have to stress about it.
And you can just have a good time for me. You don't get buried with money. You don't get buried, you get buried with what you have. You're only here once for rent, you know? So I just enjoy being around people all the time. And I like to just do stuff that keeps me activated, you know, my brain activated to be around people, to keep me on edge, to keep me sharp.
I mean, people get old by being alone and just wallowing in their things. And I'm just like, I don't want to do that. I'm not old by any stretch of imagination. I'm old compared to you. I just really like being around people. I just feel like it makes me a better person. I love that about you. I appreciate that about you.
And I'm very much of the, of the mindset similarly, where life is short, you know, there's people that we all care about that we want to be around. We all say that, oh, we should get together soon. Oh, we should do this and that. And then we don't, it's just kind of a formality that we all throw right. And so I'm a person that's like, Hey, like if your invite invites me, or if you mentioned something, I'm going to take advantage of that.
When I've been traveling all around the country this year, people said like, oh, well, when you're in this town, stop by, we'll hang out. I'm like, don't throw that out. If you don't mean it, I'm going to come see you and we're going to have a good time. And so I've, uh, I've kind of gotten that from you because you know, it's very important to take any fleeting moment that we have with the people that we love and to take advantage of it because there will be a time.
As we're getting older, it's just getting harder and harder to make things happen because of all sorts of logistical reasons, jobs, marriages, kids, all that good stuff. It's only going to get more complicated. So it's really important to take advantage of it while you can. And also I saw that evolution in you where you used to let that stuff hurdle you a little bit, because you're like, oh no, I actually have to be up at five o'clock in the morning to go for a run or to climb a mountain or to watch the sunrise or to get bathed in the waters of lake Minnetonka or something like that, whatever the excuse me.
You were that pure spirit where you wouldn't let yourself get corrupted a little bit. And my message is like, don't get corrupted, don't compromise your values. Don't do something you don't want to do. But if there is a hurdle that is minor in the grand scheme of things, I'm telling you not to go out and socialize, which is something that we all need.
And, you know, in order for our brains to operate correctly, whether it be a Monday, Saturday, Tuesday, whatever. I mean, you do it. If you have, if you want to do something, just do it. It's not hurting anybody. So that's kind of like my thing. And I, when I was friends with you and when we were living in Bristol, Connecticut together, I saw the evolution.
You were, you were just like, ah, screw it. He's right. Like let's just do stuff. I don't care if it's a Wednesday night. Yeah. You know, I do have to get up and go for a run, but you know what, I'll wake up. I'll power through it. You know, if I get home at one o'clock a little bit drunk, I'll go for the run hungover, just what you do.
I mean, for me and my situation, I was famous for, you know, my drunk runs, uh, when I was training for the marathon back in 2018 and, uh, we would go out or do something I'm like, I can't skip a day because a marathon. Great composure and, and being relentlessly on task. But I was like, I'm still gonna live my life while having my high on the prize.
So I would get home at two o'clock in the morning, a couple of drinks, deep, go on the treadmill and just run 10 miles long, live blackout Monday, the, uh, summer of 2019, which I did partake in. Once or twice and hated my life the next couple of days, but looking back. Great story. Good times. So it wouldn't take it back for the world.
Uh, so you mentioned the marathon that's, it's so funny. You bring that up because I wanted to talk to you about that. So I have. Announced on the TF show. If you missed it, Monday's episode that I'm going to be doing a half marathon in October in Portland, Maine. And so I've been over the last 24 hours since I made this decision.
I've consulted a bunch of people who have run marathons, or half-marathons kind of about the physical training leading up to it the best way to approach it. I want to talk to you about the actual in race approach because you ran the New York city marathon in the, uh, fall of 2019. I was there a great time.
You're going to do it in 2020 pandemic threw that off. You are now currently in trained to run it later this year, shortly after mine. And so you are now training for it, but I want to talk to you about kind of the inner race thing, because physically, I don't think it will be an issue. I think, you know, if you throw me out there right now, I could do it, but while I train for the next month and a half, it'll just get me to what a 13.1.
Isn't that hard for me to do physically, but mentally I'm a little afraid of, because I've never run. Four and three miles in, I'm going to be like, God damn it. I've 10 miles left of this. And then seven miles on my mind. So him telling me, like, I can't do anymore. Like, I don't want to do this, like get me away.
I just want to go back home and get under my bed and be comfortable again, because your mind is the biggest limiter. Your body can do amazing things that we don't think it can do. It's your mind? Um, that prevents you from doing absolutely incredible things. And so that's why I want to do this half marathon is to just show myself what I'm made of.
And so when you were running that marathon, A couple of years ago, what were the highs and lows going through your mind for those three plus hours? I can tell gave you almost like a play by play, but first of all, I want to give a huge shout out to you because this is definitely out of your comfort zone.
You are a guy and I've worked out with you many times. And I will be keeled over on the ground being, trying to catch my breath at all this, you go 189% every single time you do anything. So it's going to be a real challenge for you because it's going to have to make you pace yourself while you like to go through extremes and run and running, uh, a 13.1 mile.
Going at a four minute mile, pace is difficult. So I think that you're going to need to change up that mentality. I have no doubt that you can do it. And I have no doubt that you'll be singularly focused on completing the goal, but it's not easy. And I, I wish you all the luck, but as far as my experience for sure.
The marathon, there were extreme, extreme highs, lows. Like when you first start the race you get. So pumped up, you see the starting line I'm jumping up. I'm ready to go on. Was like Sosa chief Keef, like all this stuff. And I'm being hired. The first, I want to say six or seven miles was the easiest. I was gliding.
I was floating on air. Um, everybody's on the sides. It's a beautiful day outside. We got really lucky for it to be a beautiful day in November was a little chilly. There was a little crisp in the air. Not too much win, but it wasn't like hot and it wasn't like cold, which can kill you when you. Giant party.
Every single neighborhood, you go through Staten island, which is like a little bit, you know, a humble town. Then you go into like Brooklyn, you see all the hipsters and you go into the other side of Brooklyn where you see all like the Hasidic Jews, and then you go into the, and then you go into Queens and then you go into Manhattan where it's all a bunch of waspy, uppity jappy people.
And like you get to see culture changes over and over again. They're all having the same part. Then there are different types of ways. They're dressed differently. Everything is different. And it was just so cool to see how everything started building up. However, my family was waiting for me in Manhattan.
At the first time I crossed over what they call the lonely mile, which is the 54th street bridge. And it's crazy. It's a crazy experience because it's about 16 miles in and I'm starting to get a little bit tired at this point. And I was really running out of energy, but I was just like, they tell you to take off your headphones for the loan, the long, lonely mile, because you run it and it's just footsteps and people.
And then the closer you get to the end of that bridge, you just hear like a wave of noise, which is the Manhattan party coming up, edit, hypes you up in such a way that you can never duplicate. It's like an experience that is unmatchable. I will never forget what that was like going into that wave of music.
My mom and sister were waiting for me at the bottom of that bridge. And as I leaned over to give them a giant hug, I felt my calf muscle tightened up and just twist. And I'm like, oh God damn it. And that started a very, very horrific 17 through 21st miles. Think about it when you are running that far, like, yes.
It's easy to recap this story and be like 17 miles in. I skipped over 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. I actually did pretty well in those, I got text messages. Like, holy shit, dude, you're actually killing this. I thought you were fat your whole life. Congratulations. And I'm like 17th mile was when my downturn started.
Cause you start thinking like, oh my God, I still have nine miles on my best day. That is like an hour and a half more running like that is a lot of miles to go. And then I keep going up first avenue, which is like, like a, a little giant hill and it's longer than you can, I can ever imagine. And then all of a sudden my groin gives out and I'm like, oh God, this is bad.
And then my other groin gives out. And then my other calves tightens up, and this is at like mile 19, still have about seven miles to go. I'm like, this is not good. Your brain starts to go into that doubt. You start thinking I'm not going to finish this race. There's absolutely no shot. I'm finishing this race.
I am in far too much pain. There is still an hour left to go at this point. Like you start walking a little bit and you're just like, how do people do this? Like, I'm in the best shape of my life. I have been training. I've ran 20 miles before. I'd never ran more than 22 miles in training because they tell you like your first time should be the actual marathon.
So you feel more accomplished. When I do it again, I'm going to make sure that I run 26.2 miles because those 19 20, 20 first and 22nd miles were as close to hell as you can possibly get my whole body shut down. I'm in like a cold sweat. It's getting a little bit colder outside. It's a little bit later in the day, but you just enter a zone that you cannot replicate.
It's like a mind over matter thing. Your body is capable of doing incredible things. And even though my entire body. Completely shut down completely. My brain was just like, dude, you put way too much work in this, just do it. And you can spend the rest of the day doing whatever you want. And you know, I finished, I finished at four hours and 35 minutes, which is.
A time. I'm very satisfied with the time that I can work towards beating. And I was very proud of myself. And then the rest of the day, I just got to get drunk, eat pizza and ice cream. And that was kind of a, what I plan to do. So that's kinda my style of doing things. So are you changing anything in your approach into the lead up to this race?
The lead up to this race? I I'm in the process right now of transformation. I've been cutting. A lot. My approach is a little bit less extreme. Last year. I was not last year. Last time I ran it, I was very focused. I didn't really get that this year. Cause I signed up very late, but now I'm entering that mindset where it's just like, okay, everything you eat can affect you in November.
Everything you, you do can affect you in November. If you take this runoff, it can affect you in November. So now I'm starting to enter that zone. And I remember really getting that change when I did the whole 30 days. Um, I believe it was June of 2019, and it was something that slowed me down. I remember I lost 25 pounds just from going 30 days of doing the whole 30 it's great diet.
It's an extreme diet, but if you could stick with it, it helps a lot. And I'm about to enter that on August 20th. So I'm gonna go August 20th to September 20. And do the whole 30. And then once you see yourself slimmed down, you're like, okay, like let's just go for a run. And it becomes fun after a while you, you really enjoy it.
And that's the best part about it. It stops being a chore and just something that you like doing. And then it leads to one of the greatest accomplishments you could do in your life. At least it was for me when you did the whole 30 diet, you were, so you did it for a month. You were kind of experimenting with all sorts of other diets for a set amount of time.
You once did the vegan diet and not only were you eating the vegan, you will also adopting the vegan lifestyle of just being an annoying person and telling every person that you encounter, that you are a vegan, which was great. This is the thing that you and I really connected with at first. I mean, we mentioned that we didn't really well.
I, I liked you. You didn't like me for some reason. I'm such a lovable person that I don't, I never really understood it, but when I do something, I do it a hundred percent and that's something that you and I really. Uh, agree on and share that mentality, but that goes with diets too. And, you know, a thousand people that, you know, diet needed to tell you about it and need to adopt a certain mentality.
So before I did the whole 30, I was experimenting with all these diets, whether it was no car vegan, uh Palio paleo, paleo. I did it all. Yeah. It's not enough to just adopt the diet. You got to adopt the lifestyle. It's very important to key component to everything. It's a community. So when I was a vegan and I saw somebody eating chicken, I was just like, oh, I didn't know.
You like eating blood. Yeah. Animal killer, like, and give them all the blame. I mean, I'm the biggest mediator in the world. I had a steak last night and it was fantastic. But you know, when you are in that mentality, if you're not shaming people for eating meat, are you actually doing the diet? The answer is no.
So that's a key component. And I needed to shame people for eating meat nor to finish the marathon. It was a key component of my training and I actually, every time I shamed people for eating meat, it was working towards November, as I said before. So it was, it was all very important. It was all very key and it ultimately worked out.
So I'm, I'm proud of myself for making the world a better place. That's a, that's a great thing that I do. And, um, yeah, props to me for that. You do make the world a better place. Uh, if all the listeners, viewers. Tell you, uh, have a lot of great one-liners. And so I've been keeping track of some of your one-liners, uh, in my notes page over the years, because I just love referring to it whenever I need a good laugh.
There's a lot of, uh, inappropriate ones in here that I'm not going to share, but there's two in here that are PG 13 that I kind of wanted to use as a jump off point for conversation. So do you want one about death or money? I mean, are we going to get into both? Are we going to have to say one and then converse about it and both?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's start with. Okay. My life's a joke and I live in luxury beat that. So this is referring to, so you had, you had a very nice apartment, uh, in good old Bloomfield, Connecticut, which I miss heirloom flats dearly. And so let's be honest, you weren't making that much money, uh, at the job that you had at the time.
And so an unwise financial decision to be living in the apartment you were with the paychecks that you were, but you were just very, like, I want to live. In a very comfortable place. I don't want to have any struggles at all, which I like I fully understand, but just financially it was maybe not the smartest idea.
And so you had kind of have to make some sacrifices in some other areas in order to live that way. So I just kind of want to like, get into the psychology here. Why do you feel like, why do you feel that way? Because. You know me like minimalists me. I choose to live below my means so that I can live above them and other, in other areas so that I can go to as many coffee shops as I want so that I can travel more.
So. If I spend less on the manner in which I live, it can allow me to have more experiences, which is what I ultimately describe as my subscription for happiness. Yeah. I mentioned earlier how I do care about people, but this is where I become very selfish and self-absorbed, I like to live in comfort. I like to make sure that ever because a majority of your time spent even for a person like me, who doesn't like to be home now.
We'll be at home. You need to be able to wake up and enjoy your surroundings. So. I, I, I also had the caveat. I mean, I'm not spending my entire paycheck on a beautiful apartment. I had a little side hustle in college that made me some money. I was a, I was a bookie. I think the statute of limitations has expired where the FBI is in after my ass.
So that was kinda my thing. You know, you gamble, you bookie, you make some money. So I had some, some hush money down on the side that was helped me out a little bit, which is, which was nice. Um, but yes, it is important for me to live like that. I like to be comfortable in my house. Um, if I lived like you and I had my mentality of like, I need to be around people, I would never be in my apartment.
I would have to like sleep for two hours and then just get the hell out of my apartment if I hated it. So I needed to enjoy that apartment. And, you know, we all listened to the Troy Farkas show and we all know about your excursion, about being in a van in the woods, in the middle of the Appalachian mountains.
And, um, you actually hit me up to go with you. And I got the text and I'm with my grandfather and. You know, only Troy can text me these things. Only try to text this to anybody really. But especially to me, I'd be like, okay, Hey, do you want to go into the middle of the Appalachian mountains and hang out in a van and hike?
It's just like, what God's name made you think that I was going to possibly say yes to this? It is not my style. Like I love doing things, but I love. Doing things and then coming back home or, you know, whatever. Now I'm going to do you draw the line at having bugs enter where you're sleeping? Yeah, no, I don't like that type of things.
And I think it goes back and I told you this story about father's day from when I was like five years old to like 12 years old, my dad would always force us down to somewhere in Delaware. And it was a, an excursion that he would always put us on where we would camp the first night. And then we would.
Whitewater raft down the Delaware river. Uh, But down the Delaware river on father's day and then head back home and we're all sleeping together. I'm like, this is so weird. I don't know why anybody chooses to do this. And then the next day when we were whitewater rep, another thing that I enjoy doing, if it's like a day trip, you kayak, you canoe you whitewater raft.
I'm with that. But my dad being the extremist. 60 years old still has like an eight pack and like he's jacked up the shit and a five-year-old me after getting a horrible night's sleep would get tired and I would stop paddling. Get your paddle back in your heads. You better start paddling on pairing the team here.
I was just like, God damn it. So, yes. Uh, I think it goes back to that. Why I like to live in comfortable means if I need to spend a little bit of extra money, it's kind of the trade off. It's like tipping a waiter really well or something like you spend a little bit extra and you're going to get extra care.
My living situation for the last three years was awesome. I had a gym, I had a yoga studio, a golf simulator. I had to, I got all my friends over and went to the pool and it turned into like a little bit of a hangout spot. We had a cool bar, but you got to spend a little bit. Yeah. At the end of the day, it was worth every single penny because it actually turned into like a great place, a little safe Haven that we just like to live at and have fun.
Yes. And because of our, uh, contrasting lifestyles, the place that I was living in, uh, did not have a laundry machine and had to go to the sketchy laundromat down the street. And so I would have to come to your place, uh, to do laundry. Cause you would, uh, you're just like desperate for having people around you.
So Hey. If I get Troy over here by doing laundry, that's fine with me. And then we'll have a good time after that. Also the feeder tap. Yeah. The beer tap was clutch. The coffee machine was clutch. I didn't have to get like a Keurig or anything like that. I never had the bug. I mean, I'm not really a beer drinker anymore.
Anyway, I'm a hard seltzer guy through and through, but. Yes. Like, it's just a matter of exactly that and my, my requirements for any apartment that I'll ever live in, as far as I'm not homeless. And we all know that that's an extreme possibility that I have considered, I could become homeless at some point in my life.
And in that situation, you have to deter from what your current path is. But as of now, as a working person who has a job and money and whatever, my requirements is like air conditioning, heating. Uh, laundry dishwasher. And, uh, I try to go for ones with gyms in them. Cause I don't like to pay for a gym membership.
That's another trade-off there. Gym memberships get expensive. You'd be happy to know. Again, another note to my personal evolution, moving to Portsmouth, New Hampshire and a week. And the apartment complex that I have signed up yet is like a step below yours in Connecticut in terms of how nice it is. I also kind of went into it with the mindset of, okay, this is not only my home, but it's also my office.
So I'm going to be spending a lot of time here. So it needs to be nice. I need to be comfortable in it. Central air needs to be there. Need to have washer dryer in unit. The building has a gym as well. Uh, I'm no longer living amongst the rats. Like I once was, I'm glad I was a positive influence in your life.
You're a grown person. You're a grown adult. You want to live in a place where you could bring people back and just like, wait, I thought you worked. I didn't know that you were an actual homeless person. You're sleeping in an addict somewhere with a, with vermin and on a mattress on the ground. And you have one place to sit, which is at two places, including a yoga mat.
Um, yes, I don't like to live like that. I like to. Be able to bring people back to my part and be like, wow, this guy's got his shit together. And then hit them with the Jake Lennox personality, brick wall, baby. You're about to walk into some shit. So it's, it's more of like a Mirage than anything, but it's still a great place to, uh, to be.
And I like living in comfortable. The best part about that apartment that you were referring to was every morning, I would have my coffee out on my porch and there was this red van that was just outside at, at the place next to me. And so. Uh, it stayed there. It didn't move flat tire. Like it never moved in about 20 days into me being there and staring at this van every morning, 6:00 AM someone just rolled out of the van and just like walked out this rolled out and walked out.
And I was like, holy crap. This is crazy. Anyway, people roam the streets, Troy, these people exist and they roam the streets and you would never even know that that person spends a majority of their life in a van. This why you got to get to know people. It's very important. That sounds like a good lifestyle.
Uh, second quote that comes from the notes. I've been thinking about death since five years old. That's why I gave up so early. You and I talk about death a lot. We both have a fascination with death. We always joke around. You're going to die early. We are in consensus of that and it's going to, we, at least we hope that it's from a good story, like throughout the pandemic, or like, man COVID would just be such an unfortunate way for you to go.
You can go so many more fun and entertaining ways than that. How do you envision yourself die? Well, I always have my dream death, the ultimate Jake death, and anybody that knows me, knows that I have three big fears in life and it's planes, it's sharks and it's drowning. Those are the three things that I.
You know, respect, not planes, planes suck. And I just went to Vegas, had like the two worst plane rides ever. And it was horrible, but planes, I don't like, it's a lack of control thing. You're very high in the sky. You're like a mile up I'm claustrophobic. I don't like being like as much as I like being surrounded by people.
I don't like being packed in by people. I hate bars where you're like shoulder to shoulder and forced into awkward conversations with people that you don't want to talk to. It's hell for me. So planes. All my least favorite things and combines them together. So I don't like planes sharks. I respect, I love sharks.
So my personal theory on sharks is that sharks don't come barging in through my front door and make its home on my couch or something. All Willy nilly, uninvited, you know, in certain parts of the country, you get yourself killed doing that. You know, if they're legal firearms and all that. So when sharks do that to humans, when humans just want to play in the ocean in their home, and then the shark bites, the human it's, the sharks fault.
No, it's the humans fault. And I don't like that sharks are protecting their ground. They're like, once you're in my home, I have the right to do what the Homans do. So that's kinda what I like to do. And then drowning just sounds like it sucks. I heard it's actually, like I heard a new thing that drowning actually gets like really euphoric.
And I know it's like a natural brain thing to make death easier. And just like your endorphins go and like you get high or something like that, but drowning in total. I mean, if you've ever been underwater for a little bit too long it's Sox and it's stressful and I don't like it. And I had a bad experience when I was a kid with being underwater.
Uh, drop too long and I didn't like it. So the way that I envisioned myself dying is I get on a plane. And I actually was telling this story this weekend, I talked about this weight. I'm talking about. I met this girl for the first time and I started going on this rant right here that should tell you how UN hinged diameter, how, how unbearably fucked up this whole brain is.
But anyway, so I told this to a girl, I tell, I tell this story about once a week. Idea of death what's going to happen is that I'm going to go up in a plane. I'm going to go from New York to Miami where you're flying over a majority of water or overseas, or hopefully, I mean, if I ever get overseas where you're flying over a majority of water, plane goes down, boom.
And for some reason I'm going to be the only one that lives. So I'm alone, you know, I need to be around people. Doggy paddling in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of people. Sounds like a party. I'm okay with that. I mean, I would get pruney and I hate getting pruney, but at least I'm with people, you know, sometimes you stay in the pool and get pruney a little bit too long if you're around great people.
So I'm bobbing, I'm like doggy paddling in the ocean and I'm getting pruney, but I'm just there by myself, not being able to talk to anybody, no land in sight. Then the sharks come, they start circling around. Now, I'm not afraid of getting eaten by a shark. If I get eaten by a shark, it's quick, it's easy.
It's nice. And I know that an animal that I love the most is doing their job to protect me. Like they're just giving me a quick, easy death in my hypothetical. These are bad shots. They pick at me like birds. They rip an arm off, they rip the other arm off. Then they rip my leg off. And as soon as I'm just bobbing there with my one left leg.
They snatch my left legs. Now I have nothing. And I don't know if I would float like a potato or something like that or drown, but then I would drown. And, um, and that, that just, that would be like the ultimate Jake Lennick death. Right. That's uh, that's, that's quite the depth there. Uh, we, I mean, I'm fascinated by death for the reason, um, Like people think it's, it's super morbid when I talk about it, just because I've really come under the mindset over the last like year, year and a half, especially just the pandemic has exacerbated that about how life is short.
And I lost a best friend several years ago now. And I've just kind of had in the back of my mind that life is short. You got to do everything while you can, like tomorrow is not guaranteed. That's why I lived in Colorado this year. Cause it was something I'd always wanted to do. And I'm like, I don't know when we would be able to do this, this half marathon thing.
Like this is something I've always wanted it to be. I could get paralyzed in a week because I'm an idiot on my bike or like I jaywalk and get hit by something. Right. So moral of the story is I think about death because I always think about it. It's something that. Can happen at any time. And I think frequently about like, everything that you have right now can be taken away from you at any moment.
And so that it's not a morbid thought, but it's a freeing thought. It teaches you to appreciate life more, to be grateful for what you have by practicing negative visualization as a scholar, just like imagining that everything is taken away from you, that death can happen. That injury can happen, that people around you can be taken away from you for whatever reason, so that you greater appreciate it.
I mean, that's totally dead on. Um, you could go two ways with thinking about death. You think about it too much. Well, I think about it a lot. Don't get me wrong. Like I think about it all the fucking time, but you can think about it a lot. Like I do, but fear it and it can limit you. It can make you afraid to go out into the world.
You could get ran over by not looking one direction, get ran over by a car. Some crazy guy could come up to you and shake you. And there's a failure. Your heart could just give out. You can have a brain aneurysm. That should not want to stop you from living life. So if you just accept the fact that you are going to die one day and you think about it all the time, be like, what am I doing today that I can live on with and like have a good story or just like having experience, uh, I, I can keep to myself, what did I do today?
That's memorable that made me a more fulfilling life. You know, when people fear death, that's kind of the route that they go. They, they become hermits. They just sit in their, their houses and become recluse. Or you can just not think about death, like most normal people do I assume, or at least they don't talk about it nearly as much.
And they just, those are free people to like, you just live life because you like life and I like life too. But I just think that when you think about death, appreciate death, respect, death, but you just kind of don't fear it that much. And just know that one day you're going to go out and a fiery blaze of glory and your everlasting legacy.
I mean, not like legacy really matters. I think the legacy talk is stupid, but it just. Who was Jake Lennick? Who was Troy Farkas was he's a good, was he a good person to be around or was he a hermit? Was he scared of life? Because he was afraid of death and now he's dead. No, I'd like to be alive. I like to experience life.
I like to see cool views. I like the taste. Giant hikes. I like to exercise. I like to be active. I like to be around the people that I love. Cause at the end of the day, it is all gonna come to a close and I don't want to be the guy that's sitting on a death bed as if I'm going to die of like cancer or something.
There's no shot that that's happening. I'm going to die instantly. I can almost guarantee it, but I don't want to be the guy sitting on my death bed. Like damn man. I wish I hung out with Troy more. I wish I hung out with my mom. More like that's not something that I have any fear that will be a regret of mine.
Like I, when I want to be around people, I'm around them. I crossed through fire, ice. Hell heaven. It doesn't matter. I will do anything to be around my people. I will do anything to just have experiences and have fun. Like, as I said earlier in this podcast, everything is rented. So you just have to go on and do you, and that's, that's the approach that I.
It's a good approach. It's one that I share. My, my biggest fear in life is regret. Um, you know, I don't want to be in that final moment of, of death and basically like looking back on my life and being like, man, I wish I had, I wished I had done that thing or, you know, I wish I had kept that person around longer or I wish like, I wish I wish I wish.
And so, uh, I keep that. In mind right now is that I want to make the most of every day and not regret anything. Like there's something I want to do, figure it out and go do it and do it sooner than. Absolutely. And that's, that's my approach to, uh, what, what was the quota? Uh, so that, that quote is, I've been thinking about, about death since five years old.
That's why I gave up so early. So you giving up, it's like, listen, I like to give these little negative twist at the end and usually gets a laugh out of people and all that. But I gave up meaning. It freed me, you know, like once you just stop worrying about it, it's just like, I can do anything. I can go talk to that girl.
That's like way out of my league because what's the worst you're going to do. Shoot me down. Am I gonna remember that when I'm dead? Fuck. No, I don't care. So you could just do whatever the hell you want and not think twice about it. I still struggle getting on planes because of, you know, the shark attacks and all that, but I'm not afraid of death when I'm on planes.
I'm afraid of. Being too cramped up. I've been on private jets before and that's awesome. No, it's a little, a little brag there. You know, I'm a pretty cool guy. You know, I've been on private jets, private jets are awesome. I'll go on a private jet at any day of the week. If you have one hit me up, I'll just ride it with you one day.
Was that, uh, but you're right. It is a freeing thought to realize that like, Hey, we're all going to die. Like none of us matter in the grand scheme of things. Uh, so to lighten up the mood. Rita a couple more quotes here that are appropriate. Uh, I can't wait to be Massachusetts trash. My whole life apologies to all the native, Massachusetts people that are listening to this.
You also have to take that through the concept that I'm a new Yorker. And my whole idea of Massachusetts is just people dropping their ass and living in a Lowell. Massachusetts. I watched the fighter one too many times and mark Walberg and Christian bale, just being trash cans with their trash cans, sister.
That's my idea of like a Massachuset. I'm sure there's a lot of lovely people in Massachusetts, but I only been there once. I'm a self-loathing fuck. Not a pathetic loser. Yeah. Even if you made it this far to the podcast, you could see where that one. So a bunch of things that we talk about on this podcast are, you know, like self-improvement young people, all of the things that we're going through.
And so, um, when you first moved out to Connecticut, you were in Indiana and you were actually in New York and Arizona for that, you've been all over this country, living in, in all sorts of different states, having bunch of wild experiences, which is why I like talking to you because you've been through so much.
Um, when you moved out to Connecticut, you were in a long-term relationship at the time with the girlfriend that you'd been with, like three or four years. Uh, I, I broke up to her right before I came to Kenya. Yeah. Like it was immediate this second, before I moved to Connecticut was when we broke it off.
Right. Because you had kind of realized like, Hey, I've got to leave Indiana. I've been presented this amazing work options. I have to take it. And so you were kind of at this crossroads of your relationship where it's like, what are we like, what are we doing here? And so I think a lot of people, you know, out there our age are kind of in a similar spot that you were once in words, like you're in a relationship and you reach a point where.
You know, I got to do what's best for my career right now. I have to prioritize career development right now. Cause we're still so early on and we just need to take any good opportunity that comes away. You need to prioritize that over more personal relationships and such. So you were in this situation where you're like, I have to take this and it's going to affect my relationship and I might just have to call them.
Completely. And there's definitely some people listening that might find themselves in similar situations. So when that happened, when you knew you were going to move to Connecticut, what was that decision-making process like for you in terms of breaking that off? Right. So I was in this relationship for three years and shout out to the girl because she dealt with me for three years.
I'm a handful and she was a champion through the whole thing. We left it off on good terms. She's a marvelous person, just didn't really work out between us romantically. Um, but yeah. You got to kind of measure the pros and cons of relationships you have to. I see me, I find that being myself is the most important thing, and I was never limited to being myself when I was with this girl, but we did do long distance relationship.
One time before. I decided to move to Connecticut. After I graduated college, I went back to New York for a year to work at Buffalo wild wings. I had a great job opportunity waiting for me, and I took it. I grabbed by the horns. I'm like, I'm going to be a server at Buffalo, wild wings, straight out of college.
Not a lot of people get that type of, uh, opportunity. So I had to capitalize on that. I was with this girl for a year and a half, two years. At this point, we had a similar discussion. It's just like, do we want to do this? And we were still very much into it. So while I was working at Buffalo wild wings, I was looking for jobs in audio to advance my career.
And I expanded my search to Indiana. And that's where I got my jobs. Then we moved back in my greatest piece of advice to anybody. And I know that there are religious limitations with this, so it could be a little bit controversial or against what you think. But if you are really serious with a girl, I think it is the most important thing in the world that you live with her.
You have to live with her before you put a ring on it, because people are different when you live with them. It comes back to my roommate thing. Like I love, I love being around people all the time and I. Got roommates who I was friends with, but I don't know if it's me or them when I'm home. I don't, I like to close myself off I'm on all the time that when I'm home for the short amount of time that I'm home, I don't really like to be around people.
And it's like, wow, Jake doesn't like me because. He's just being a recluse and I'm like, that's not the case. I just need to like recharge a little bit and I'm not necessarily choosing to hang out with you. So I was never really a good roommate that wasn't the case. She was probably one of the better roommates I've had in my life.
Uh, considering that I'm coming off of roommates that hit me in the arm with a bat. I'm not sure if I've ever told you that story. Um, yeah. Yeah. I've, I've had pretty bad roommate situations. Fantastic for the most part, but it just came down to a point where we were going through the motions and I was coming home and it's after a year of living with her.
And I was just like, you know, I'm not like super pumped. I'm like, yes, I'm done with work. I'm going to go home and I'm going to see her. And I'm super happy about that. And when it was approaching that I got this job in Connecticut and I was moving and I was living in Indiana. You start thinking about it.
It's just like, okay, like long distance relationship really sucked that one year. And we were like way more heavy than we are today. I mean, like you live with somebody a lot, you get a little spoiled with their appearances and you know, just seeing them every single day. You don't even, you take it for granted really.
And when I moved to Connecticut, it just turned into a thing. It's just like, all right, like, am I really willing to go, come off of like, living with her to do long distance relationship? That's like the girlfriend boyfriend equivalent of getting a divorce and I'm just like, or a separation at the very least.
And I'm just like, I don't need that. And then on top of that, About being yourself. It's like when I was in the long distance relationship, it limited me because I'm very unhinged I like to drink. And when I drank, I don't like to think too much. And when I think too much, I'm approaching conversations differently.
I mean, not really with guys, but like with girls, I like to take situations and see where it can go. I don't like to limit my experience to anything or anyone or whatever. So. That's kind of why I went, I was just like, listen, this is a big change in my life. This is the first time where I see myself being in a job that isn't like an annual switch over.
This is something that I plan on being for at least two to three years where I'm at now. So it was the right decision for me. And, um, did it expedite the process a little bit maybe, but it was ultimately a great thing, but to all the young people listening who may be in the situation, whether to go the extra step or to take it back.
Really measure, like how w how you are around her. If you're not trying that hard to be yourself, that's a great thing. If you are trying too hard to appease her, not a great thing. And on top of that, I would tell anybody who's on the fringe of marrying a person, live with them first, and then make your decision.
And that, that advice goes for the ladies listening. I made that very guy centric. This is an all-inclusive show, actually more and more women listen to the show than men. Yeah. All right. So just so, so just switch the hymns to hers and the he's, the she's and fuck it. Like, I don't really care. I just speak in generalities all the time.
My brain is mush, so I'm all right. I want to also talk to you about your podcast. Do you want to Dunn's if you are on the YouTube audience, it is prominently featured here. So you've do a podcast. You, you and Connor, our friend here, again, shots Connor started it last college basketball season shortly after the Troy Farkas show.
And you guys are quickly ascended to the top of the apple podcast charts you guys want to know to right there. It's like part of my, take one and dones bill Simmons. And that's how it is. So what can the fans expect on the podcast as well? First of all, the meteoric rise of the one and dones podcast is something that I, I I'm forever grateful for.
I did not expect it. Uh, we worked very hard for it, so. To all of our millions and millions of viewers and listeners listening right now, we really appreciate your love and support. And if you don't follow. Then fuck, just go. But if you don't follow, you could find that wherever you find your podcasts, like rate, review, subscribe, all that stuff.
And, uh, it's always nice to, uh, to know that somebody is listening. I mean, as a person who listens to a lot of podcasts, now that I have my long commute to work, it keeps people company it's nice. You know, it's like being around people when. You're just alone and it's just kinda nice. So I enjoy it, but yes, I'm seasoned to come into stores near you.
Uh, we are currently in the lab doing push-ups sit-ups we're going to have a major globe for season two. Season one was like the test run. It was mock one and dones. It was. You know, just working out a lot of King's working on the fly. We decided to do it pretty late, but we are audio people. We work in the audio field, we had ideas and we're just like, you know what, screw it.
Let's just start it. And as we go, we will develop and we will keep going. And, um, luckily in season two, we've Connor and I have gotten together and we've talked about a bunch of ideas, new logo coming soon. We're about to glamorize ourself. We're about to get real. Get six packs going, get all cut up marathon Jake back in action.
And, um, and shout out to Emily. Uh, your girl, uh, she actually did our podcast logo after we saw how cool the Troy Farka show podcasts logo was looking. So that's coming soon. This is the old one. If you're looking on the YouTube syndication. Um, but yeah, season two, we're going to do a lot of the same stuff, but we're going to do a better and college basketball college hoops.
If you like to just sit around, mess around. Talk about sports. Listen about sports, come join. How Midis up. Everybody's welcome. It doesn't matter if you're tall or short, younger, old, we like you. Love that. Uh, Jake, thank you so much for joining me the one and dones podcast. Find them wherever you get your podcasts, all the socials, put it in the show notes of this episode, Jake.
Uh, I can't wait to have you on a third time. Hopefully you make it that long. I, I don't know. Uh, you know, what's going to happen to you tomorrow. Something crazy. Gotta happen. So until then I look forward to, uh, to catching up. Likewise, I appreciate you having me on. And, uh, I look forward. I'm an optimist.
So I look forward to my third appearance. I will be here for it.
All right. Well, that's Jake Lenok for ya. There's a, there's a lot to unpack there. We might have to send them off to the mental institution. There's a lot going on up in that brain. Crazy New York, New Jersey kid. Can't believe I didn't like him at first. He's obviously very endearing guests. He is a bit of noxious, but, uh, we love him for that.
Jake. Thank you for joining me. Thank all of you for listening. If you have any feedback on it, let me know. Um, slide into my DMS comment on the show. Rate the review on apple podcasts. Give Jake a follow follow the one and dones on your favorite podcast apps. Interact with the show with me. However you can love hearing from you guys means the world to me, that you are listening, that you were supporting and, uh, we'll keep this train moving.
Don't quite know what the plans for the show are next week. I am moving on Sunday, Monday, so I don't quite know what my setup is going to be. I'll try to check in with you guys next week. That is definitely the goal. I will definitely have stuff on the Troy Farka show.com. I will have new writing. I'll still be posting stuff on social.
Follow me, actually underscore Farkas on Instagram. And you have not done so already. And that'll be that again. Thank you, Jake. For joining me, you are the man much respect, much love for you looking forward to seeing. How this all unfolds from here as for the rest of you have a great weekend, have the best of time, surround yourself with people that you love.
Don't say no to opportunities like Jake, and I just make whatever sacrifices you need to these times are fleeting. They are important. We need to take advantage of these opportunities while we are young, because there will be a time where you can't do this anymore. You can't live this way anymore. And you will, will regret that.
And you will regret the times that you said no, or that you made a BS excuse. Okay. So keep that in mind. As you go about this weekend, have a wonderful weekend. Get outside, be healthy, do all the shit you love. Be with the people you love and I'll talk to you soon. Peace out.